There probably isn’t anyone more closely associated with the field of software security than Gary McGraw. He’s been thinking, writing, speaking, and studying the practice for more than two decades and has helped some of the world’s largest organizations develop and improve software security programs. In this episode, Dennis Fisher talks with Gary about his new stealth project, IoT software security, government intervention, and Gary’s latest musical projects.

Music by Chris Gonsalves and Ken Montigny

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